Comments on: Popping Out Babies Behind the Bush http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/ Love, Laughter, and Madness Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:51:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Cottontimer http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-679563 Cottontimer Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:00:12 +0000 http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-679563 Sorry about that, Jean. You must have changed the Creative Commons license on your picture since I wrote this post. I've removed it. Thanks. Sorry about that, Jean. You must have changed the Creative Commons license on your picture since I wrote this post. I’ve removed it. Thanks.

]]> By: Grace http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-58157 Grace Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:17:33 +0000 http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-58157 I went into labor all prepped to avoid meds at all cost. I had the most painless labor (truth told - I didn't hurt at all while dilating) and still ended up having an emergency Csection. I got so mad at my doctor for failing to detect a breech baby, and mad at myself for not being open to the possibility of being cut open. I even initially thought I missed out on the experience of natural delivery that nature intended woman to have. But on hindsight the care I was given after the operation (and the extra 2 days post-op rest) was tremendous for boosting my strength up for the endless days-nights after. That humbling experience taught me not to judge myself or anyone at either spectrum of the birthing camp. Giving birth, whether with full or no medical help, in no way defines a woman or mother, and is only one little step in the parenting drama. I went into labor all prepped to avoid meds at all cost. I had the most painless labor (truth told - I didn’t hurt at all while dilating) and still ended up having an emergency Csection. I got so mad at my doctor for failing to detect a breech baby, and mad at myself for not being open to the possibility of being cut open. I
even initially thought I missed out on the experience of natural delivery that nature intended woman to have. But on hindsight the care I was given after the operation (and the extra 2 days post-op rest) was tremendous for boosting my strength up for the endless days-nights after. That humbling experience taught me not to judge myself or anyone at either spectrum of the birthing camp. Giving birth, whether with full or no medical help,
in no way defines a woman or mother, and
is only one little step in the parenting drama.

]]> By: Deb L http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-56101 Deb L Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:12:04 +0000 http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-56101 Ack! note to self- try to read comments before posting own comment. Jean! I was referring to the Alice article, not your comment. When I was reading comments, it occurred to me that mine could be seen as referring to yours- and it's not. :) Ack! note to self- try to read comments before posting own comment. Jean! I was referring to the Alice article, not your comment. When I was reading comments, it occurred to me that mine could be seen as referring to yours- and it’s not. :)

]]> By: Deb L http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-56097 Deb L Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:04:03 +0000 http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-56097 Oh wow. Ill-informed is right! I have 3 kids, with varying birth scenarios, involving various degrees of "the miracles of modern science and medicine". All were with midwives, in a hospital, with doctors available if need be. No squatting behind bushes. (Although I've been told that squatting actually makes labor easier and less painful..) My friends who had cesarians had just as long and painful (and sometimes more-so) recoveries than those of us who had vaginal births. There's no "free pass" in the "pain related to the process of procreating" in this life. Someone else choosing a cesarian is irrelevant to me- but for them to say that *I* shouldn't be informed nor encouraged to choose as natural a life as possible is out of line. Choices=good. Informed=good. Choosing a c-section because you think it guarantees you no pain and is "less messy" seems (in my opinion) to be rather naive. Oh wow. Ill-informed is right! I have 3 kids, with varying birth scenarios, involving various degrees of “the miracles of modern science and medicine”.

All were with midwives, in a hospital, with doctors available if need be. No squatting behind bushes. (Although I’ve been told that squatting actually makes labor easier and less painful..)

My friends who had cesarians had just as long and painful (and sometimes more-so) recoveries than those of us who had vaginal births. There’s no “free pass” in the “pain related to the process of procreating” in this life. Someone else choosing a cesarian is irrelevant to me- but for them to say that *I* shouldn’t be informed nor encouraged to choose as natural a life as possible is out of line.

Choices=good. Informed=good. Choosing a c-section because you think it guarantees you no pain and is “less messy” seems (in my opinion) to be rather naive.

]]> By: Cottontimer http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-56075 Cottontimer Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:35:47 +0000 http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-56075 <b>Jill</b>: I'm so glad you had good birth experiences here in the UK! <b>Jean</b>: Hi! You're definitely not like Alice Miles! She's really a piece of work. <b>mdmhvonpa</b>: You got that right. Jill: I’m so glad you had good birth experiences here in the UK!

Jean: Hi! You’re definitely not like Alice Miles! She’s really a piece of work.

mdmhvonpa: You got that right.

]]> By: mdmhvonpa http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-55263 mdmhvonpa Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:10:52 +0000 http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-55263 Heh ... painless child birth. Just wait till they are out of the womb for a week. THEN the pain starts! Heh … painless child birth. Just wait till they are out of the womb for a week. THEN the pain starts!

]]> By: Jean http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-55176 Jean Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:57:27 +0000 http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-55176 <i>Deciding to have a c-section weeks in advance is a decision made without any knowledge of what your birth is going to be like. That kind of decision is ill-informed at best.</i> I beg to differ. My decision to have an elective C-section was an informed one based on previous experience as well as a poor prognosis for natural birth the second time around. Not everyone who chooses a C-section does so out of avoidance. Deciding to have a c-section weeks in advance is a decision made without any knowledge of what your birth is going to be like. That kind of decision is ill-informed at best.

I beg to differ. My decision to have an elective C-section was an informed one based on previous experience as well as a poor prognosis for natural birth the second time around. Not everyone who chooses a C-section does so out of avoidance.

]]> By: Jill http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-54817 Jill Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:23:28 +0000 http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-54817 Yo go, girl! I get so sick of the "culture wars" between the moms who stay at home vs go to work, and those who prefer nature vs those who prefer technology. I had both my kids in public UK hospitals with no drugs and tons of support. I never saw a doctor during my births. In my experience, the NHS is extremely supportive and progressive in the birthing dept. I would add that I went home after 3-4 hours in both cases! I never had to spend a night in the hospital! A lot of that was luck (and broad hips?) but I also think that the lack of medical intervention meant I had an uncomplicated and quick recovery. But here's the newsflash for the techno crew- epidurals don't always work. Ceasarians can lead to complicated and painful recoveries for mom and baby. And the relinquishing control over your own body during pregnancy and birth is the first step to a lifetime of putting someone else's well-being ahead of your own. Yo go, girl! I get so sick of the “culture wars” between the moms who stay at home vs go to work, and those who prefer nature vs those who prefer technology.

I had both my kids in public UK hospitals with no drugs and tons of support. I never saw a doctor during my births. In my experience, the NHS is extremely supportive and progressive in the birthing dept. I would add that I went home after 3-4 hours in both cases! I never had to spend a night in the hospital! A lot of that was luck (and broad hips?) but I also think that the lack of medical intervention meant I had an uncomplicated and quick recovery.

But here’s the newsflash for the techno crew- epidurals don’t always work. Ceasarians can lead to complicated and painful recoveries for mom and baby. And the relinquishing control over your own body during pregnancy and birth is the first step to a lifetime of putting someone else’s well-being ahead of your own.

]]> By: Cottontimer http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-54320 Cottontimer Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:12:10 +0000 http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-54320 <b>Congogirl</b>: Dreadful, isn't it?! A little bit of steam is still coming out of my ears. <b>Char</b>: Thanks for sharing your story. Why can't everyone be as reasonable as us? ;) <b>manicmama</b>: Thank you for your comment! I've got to go check out their Alpha Mummy blog. I have the feeling I may get in a few fights. Bah. Congogirl: Dreadful, isn’t it?! A little bit of steam is still coming out of my ears.

Char: Thanks for sharing your story. Why can’t everyone be as reasonable as us? ;)

manicmama: Thank you for your comment! I’ve got to go check out their Alpha Mummy blog. I have the feeling I may get in a few fights. Bah.

]]> By: manicmama http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-54316 manicmama Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:05:06 +0000 http://www.cottontimer.com/2007/04/04/popping-babies-out-behind-the-bush/#comment-54316 I think that everyone's birth is different and they should be entitled to have as many options as possible. It is interesting to note that this article appeared after an earlier one in The Times/Alpha Mummy blog about how mother's who have c-sections can be made to feel like failures. I think that everyone’s birth is different and they should be entitled to have as many options as possible.

It is interesting to note that this article appeared after an earlier one in The Times/Alpha Mummy blog about how mother’s who have c-sections can be made to feel like failures.

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